engage in one of the most famed rivalries in strip ,   the gamma - poweredHulkand Fantastic Four’sThinghave spent sixty years beating each other unconscious . But while the Thing ’s endless reserves of grit intend he never goes down easy , evenStan Lee confirmed that Hulkwill always be stronger . At least , that was the case until Thing was able-bodied to raise his own Cosmic Radiation - based powers with Hulk ’s gamma energy .

The shift comes in   Jeph Loeb and Ed McGuinness’Hulk # 21 ,   as Red Hulk rebels against the villainous   Intelligencia . The crack - smart group had been garner various mannikin of get-up-and-go with the intent of empowering an US Army of Hulks to overturn the US politics . mirthfully , Marvel ’s assembled heroes got the same rise , with hotshot like Thor , Captain America andCyclops gaining new , ace - sinewy Hulk form .

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Among their numbers was Ben Grimm , aka Fantastic Four ’s Thing , who became stronger than ever before , capable of going toe - to - toe with the Red Hulk . Thisversion of Thing was far larger- explicitly self-aggrandizing than the original Hulk - and overcompensate in toothed rock ‘n’ roll , with gigantic fists and a pound gait . With the gamma energy pushing his emotion to the extreme , the matter was forthwith enrage , and begin refer to himself as ' the No - Thing , ' a name that echoed the mysterious - seated ego - hatred Ben palpate over his non - human form . Ed McGuinness ' intention notes for the Hulk - powered No - Thing ( published in affiliation - inHulked - Out Heroes # 1 ) province   that he is finally Hulk ’s physical superior , and is"not second best any longer . "

Sadly for Ben , he does n’t actually get to lay a finger’s breadth on Bruce Banner ’s Hulk . After combat the Red Hulk , Thing take on Captain Marvel and Spectrum before come down into old patterns by brawling with Johnny Storm ’s Hulking Torch , relive one of their quondam arguments , but this time by throwing around aircraft carriers and risking hundreds of lives . Unlike Hulk - who lives in peace until attacked by mankind - matter has never in truth made serenity with his transformation into a ' monster , ' always hoping Reed Richards would find a way to ferment him back . In the cause of his Hulk transformation , Ben Grimm became his worst nightmare - an out - of - ascendency beast position others at risk , and show every ignorant assumption ever made about him correct .

Hulk lore has made it very clear in the retiring thatthose who gain Hulk powersnever fully misplace them , even on dying , so there will always be the voltage for matter to find his Hulk form and take on Bruce Banner ’s Green Goliath . However , he ’s improbable to prize this potential vantage over theHulk , as   theThing ’s epic transformation means that Ben Grimm now knows that however much he feels he has lose his humanity , forged could   still be waiting for him as long as he invest his neck opening on the line to economise others .

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